Discussion:
NO SIGN OF ETHER DRIFT: WHY?
(trop ancien pour répondre)
Pentcho Valev
2007-11-13 07:13:44 UTC
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http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether drift (= motion
of ether with respect to earth). Many failed attempts to detect ether
drift, one of the most famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of interferometer arm changes
as it rotates: parallel to ether drift it is shorter than
perpendicular to the ether drift
Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an object moving with a velocity
v through the ether contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."

Another explanation that essentially could have been advanced by
FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they had been less prejudiced in favour of
the ether theory:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."

Which explanation would have been more correct?

Pentcho Valev
a***@yahoo.fr
2007-11-13 09:28:27 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether drift (= motion
of ether with respect to earth). Many failed attempts to detect ether
drift, one of the most famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of interferometer arm changes
as it rotates: parallel to ether drift it is shorter than
perpendicular to the ether drift
Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an object moving with a velocity
v through the ether contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."
Another explanation that essentially could have been advanced by
FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they had been less prejudiced in favour of
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."
Which explanation would have been more correct?
Pentcho Valev
"Which explanation would have been more correct?"
une fran�aise explication des fois,
Dis nous CLAIREMENT, si qui pourrait justifier le maintien
de l'�ther ...

Alain
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
2007-11-13 13:15:07 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether
drift (= motion of ether with respect to earth). Many
failed attempts to detect ether drift, one of the most
famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of
interferometer arm changes as it rotates: parallel to
ether drift it is shorter than perpendicular to the ether
drift. Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an
object moving with a velocity v through the ether
contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."
Another explanation that essentially could have
been advanced by FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley
experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity,
whereas later writers almost universally use it as
support for the light postulate of special relativity......
THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY
COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF
LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."
You forgot:
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so consequently the
motion of light was conformed to the motion of the Earth.
Post by Pentcho Valev
Which explanation would have been more correct?
None of the above. Since it is only a challenge to Maxwell's
equations. As you know the "light postulate" was redundant to
"the laws of physics"... inclusive of Maxwell.

By the way, if no experiment can differentiate between
"perspective" and "aether", then the question itself is a
nonsequitur.

The emission / ballistic theories get into trouble when (for
example) starlight is used in MMX, or when the Moon is used for a
shutter for high-z objects.

David A. Smith
Androcles
2007-11-13 13:35:42 UTC
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:5rh_i.5662$***@newsfe11.phx...

: The emission / ballistic theories get into trouble when (for
: example) starlight is used in MMX, or when the Moon is used for a
: shutter for high-z objects.
:
Baloney. Emission Fact cannot "get into trouble", only
crackpot theorists get into trouble.
Pentcho Valev
2007-11-13 13:39:53 UTC
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Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Pentcho Valev
http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether
drift (= motion of ether with respect to earth). Many
failed attempts to detect ether drift, one of the most
famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of
interferometer arm changes as it rotates: parallel to
ether drift it is shorter than perpendicular to the ether
drift. Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an
object moving with a velocity v through the ether
contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."
Another explanation that essentially could have
been advanced by FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley
experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity,
whereas later writers almost universally use it as
support for the light postulate of special relativity......
THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY
COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF
LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so consequently the
motion of light was conformed to the motion of the Earth.
Zombie know, zombie say, zombie kill heretic, zombie become professor.

Pentcho Valev
dlzc
2007-11-13 19:39:58 UTC
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...
Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so
consequently the motion of light was conformed
to the motion of the Earth.
Zombie know, zombie say, zombie kill heretic,
zombie become professor.
Since I research what I post, I assume you are referring to your self
as a zombie. Whay would you want to be a professor?

David A. Smith
Pentcho Valev
2007-11-14 14:07:25 UTC
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Post by dlzc
...
Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so
consequently the motion of light was conformed
to the motion of the Earth.
Zombie know, zombie say, zombie kill heretic,
zombie become professor.
Since I research what I post, I assume you are referring to your self
as a zombie. Whay would you want to be a professor?
David A. Smith
Zombie research. Earth drag ether? Earth drag ether. Zombie say: earth
drag ether. World listen.

Pentcho Valev
Laurent
2007-11-14 14:20:37 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by dlzc
...
Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so
consequently the motion of light was conformed
to the motion of the Earth.
Zombie know, zombie say, zombie kill heretic,
zombie become professor.
Since I research what I post, I assume you are referring to your self
as a zombie. Whay would you want to be a professor?
David A. Smith
Zombie research. Earth drag ether? Earth drag ether. Zombie say: earth
drag ether. World listen.
Pentcho Valev- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You want to measure aether drag? Just measure inertia on an
accelerating (or decelerating) object.

--
Laurent
dlzc
2007-11-14 14:31:55 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
Zombie research. Earth drag ether? Earth drag
ether. Zombie say: earth drag ether. World listen.
Hardly. Since you are a professor of pate physics, you know that
dragged aether has been discounted by other experiments. But MMX, to
which you referred, was not one of them.

David A. Smith
Pentcho Valev
2007-11-14 14:55:55 UTC
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Post by dlzc
...
Post by Pentcho Valev
Zombie research. Earth drag ether? Earth drag
ether. Zombie say: earth drag ether. World listen.
Hardly. Since you are a professor of pate physics, you know that
dragged aether has been discounted by other experiments. But MMX, to
which you referred, was not one of them.
David A. Smith
So while Master John Norton calls the attention to the fact that THE
MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION
THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE, you introduce
dragged aether as a red herring. But then you are not a zombie!
Rather, you are a clever hypnotist, at least as clever as Master Tom
Roberts! Master John Norton, Master Tom Roberts, Master David Smith.
Three clever hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult.

Pentcho Valev
dlzc
2007-11-14 16:29:55 UTC
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On Nov 14, 7:55 am, Pentcho Valev <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
Post by Pentcho Valev
So while Master John Norton calls the attention to
the fact that THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS
FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT
THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE, you introduce
dragged aether as a red herring.
Master John Norton apparently did not tell you that, since the light
was emitted in the frame the apparatus was located in, could not tell
if the light was issued from the anuses of pink elephants, and was
conducted along narrow sewer pipes as frozen turds, prior to entering
the apparatus as light.
Post by Pentcho Valev
But then you are not a zombie!
You appear to have no critical faculties whatsoever, Pentcho. What a
tangled web you weave...

David A. Smith
Pentcho Valev
2007-11-14 17:05:50 UTC
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Post by dlzc
...
Post by Pentcho Valev
So while Master John Norton calls the attention to
the fact that THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS
FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT
THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE, you introduce
dragged aether as a red herring.
Master John Norton apparently did not tell you that, since the light
was emitted in the frame the apparatus was located in, could not tell
if the light was issued from the anuses of pink elephants, and was
conducted along narrow sewer pipes as frozen turds, prior to entering
the apparatus as light.
Zombie after all. Master John Norton say:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."

Why zombie wrong? Master John Norton explain: "...later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity...". Later writers teach zombie. Now zombie wrong. Tomorrow
zombie wrong. Forever zombie wrong. Later writers guilty.

Pentcho Valev
dlzc
2007-11-14 18:13:53 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by dlzc
...
Post by Pentcho Valev
So while Master John Norton calls the attention to
the fact that THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS
FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT
THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE, you introduce
dragged aether as a red herring.
Master John Norton apparently did not tell you that,
since the light was emitted in the frame the
apparatus was located in, could not tell if the light
was issued from the anuses of pink elephants, and was
conducted along narrow sewer pipes as frozen turds,
prior to entering the apparatus as light.
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley
experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity,
whereas later writers almost universally use it as
support for the light postulate of special relativity...
...THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."
The statement is essentially correct. Because the light was emitted
in the frame of the MMX.
Post by Pentcho Valev
Why zombie wrong? Master John Norton explain: "...later
writers almost universally use it as support for the
light postulate of special relativity...". Later writers
teach zombie. Now zombie wrong. Tomorrow
zombie wrong. Forever zombie wrong. Later writers guilty.
The MMX is compatible with Maxwell, Androcles' (and others') ballistic
emission, Lorentz aether, and dragged aether. Until you move the
light source, or try a different experiment, you cannot differentiate
between any of those with MMX. All you can disprove with the MMX
experiment is that the Earth is moving "separately" through a rigid
aether. Disproved with MMX.

As to why you are always wrong, and always tell less than the full
truth, and always name call rather than conduct civil argument, who
Post by Pentcho Valev
Now zombie wrong. Tomorrow zombie wrong. Forever zombie wrong.
David A. Smith
Igor
2007-11-13 21:43:01 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Pentcho Valev
http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether
drift (= motion of ether with respect to earth). Many
failed attempts to detect ether drift, one of the most
famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of
interferometer arm changes as it rotates: parallel to
ether drift it is shorter than perpendicular to the ether
drift. Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an
object moving with a velocity v through the ether
contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."
Another explanation that essentially could have
been advanced by FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley
experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity,
whereas later writers almost universally use it as
support for the light postulate of special relativity......
THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY
COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF
LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so consequently the
motion of light was conformed to the motion of the Earth.
Zombie know, zombie say, zombie kill heretic, zombie become professor.
Pentcho Valev
I wasn't aware that you were a professor. A professor of what,
exactly?
a***@yahoo.fr
2007-11-14 08:33:18 UTC
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Post by Igor
Post by Pentcho Valev
Post by N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Post by Pentcho Valev
http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether
drift (= motion of ether with respect to earth). Many
failed attempts to detect ether drift, one of the most
famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of
interferometer arm changes as it rotates: parallel to
ether drift it is shorter than perpendicular to the ether
drift. Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an
object moving with a velocity v through the ether
contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."
Another explanation that essentially could have
been advanced by FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley
experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity,
whereas later writers almost universally use it as
support for the light postulate of special relativity......
THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY
COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF
LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."
- the aether was dragged by the Earth, and so consequently the
motion of light was conformed to the motion of the Earth.
Zombie know, zombie say, zombie kill heretic, zombie become professor.
Pentcho Valev
I wasn't aware that you were a professor. A professor of what,
exactly?- Masquer le texte des messages pr�c�dents -
- Afficher le texte des messages pr�c�dents -
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Un professeur de p�te � physique...

Al1
Uncle Al
2007-11-13 19:06:44 UTC
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
[snip crap]

Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
<http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>
http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
No aether

http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/a
No Lorentz violation
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Androcles
2007-11-13 21:31:52 UTC
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"Uncle Al" <***@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:***@hate.spam.net...
: Pentcho Valev wrote:
: [snip crap]
:
: Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
: http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
: <http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>
: http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
: No aether
:
: http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
: http://physicsweb.org/a
: No Lorentz violation
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Laurent
2007-11-14 14:16:49 UTC
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Post by Pentcho Valev
http://ias.umn.edu/pdf/TimeandRelativity-Pooley.pdf
p. 11: "Problem for Lorentz's theory: no sign of ether drift (= motion
of ether with respect to earth). Many failed attempts to detect ether
drift, one of the most famous ones by Americans Albert A. Michelson
(1852-1931) and Edward W. Morley (1838-1923).
Explanation: compensating effect: length of interferometer arm changes
as it rotates: parallel to ether drift it is shorter than
perpendicular to the ether drift
Contraction (deformation) hypothesis: an object moving with a velocity
v through the ether contracts by a factor (1-v^2 c^2)^(1/2) in the
direction of motion."
Another explanation that essentially could have been advanced by
FitzGerald, Lorentz etc. if they had been less prejudiced in favour of
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."
Which explanation would have been more correct?
Pentcho Valev
There is no absolute space, only absolute reality. The Universe is
background free.

--
Laurent
Koobee Wublee
2007-11-14 19:06:52 UTC
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Post by Laurent
There is no absolute space, only absolute reality. The Universe is
background free.
Under the mathematics of the Lorentz transform, absolute simultaneity
is forbidden. The mathematical manifestation of the Lorentz transform
is the combination of time dilation and the principle of relativity.
Poincare had already identified this as relative simultaneity.
Relative simultaneity is the root cause of the twin's paradox. Under
the concept of relative simultaneity, any interference pattern cannot
happen. The interferometers should not have worked. Since
interferometers work so well and everytime ever so consistently, the
most logical conclusion is that relative simultaneity must not
possibly be valid. This also means the Lorentz transform must be
wrong.
Laurent
2007-11-14 21:30:37 UTC
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Post by Koobee Wublee
Post by Laurent
There is no absolute space, only absolute reality. The Universe is
background free.
Under the mathematics of the Lorentz transform, absolute simultaneity
is forbidden. The mathematical manifestation of the Lorentz transform
is the combination of time dilation and the principle of relativity.
Poincare had already identified this as relative simultaneity.
Relative simultaneity is the root cause of the twin's paradox. Under
the concept of relative simultaneity, any interference pattern cannot
happen. The interferometers should not have worked. Since
interferometers work so well and everytime ever so consistently, the
most logical conclusion is that relative simultaneity must not
possibly be valid. This also means the Lorentz transform must be
wrong.
Not what GPS technology seems to suggest. Same with interplanetary
travel. GTR is a proven fact. Sorry.

--
Laurent
Uncle Al
2007-11-15 19:04:47 UTC
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Post by Laurent
Post by Koobee Wublee
Under the mathematics of the Lorentz transform, absolute simultaneity
is forbidden. The mathematical manifestation of the Lorentz transform
is the combination of time dilation and the principle of relativity.
Poincare had already identified this as relative simultaneity.
Relative simultaneity is the root cause of the twin's paradox. Under
the concept of relative simultaneity, any interference pattern cannot
happen. The interferometers should not have worked. Since
interferometers work so well and everytime ever so consistently, the
most logical conclusion is that relative simultaneity must not
possibly be valid. This also means the Lorentz transform must be
wrong.
Not what GPS technology seems to suggest. Same with interplanetary
travel. GTR is a proven fact. Sorry.
There are other hypotheses that predict the same result. <shrug>
Besides, it is not conclusive that GPS utilizes GR to do so. To do
that, it requires a ground-to-satellite synchronization. This is just
too costly and too error-prone. In addition to the error associated
with downlink from satellite to the ground, there is just too much
error compared to satellite-to-satellite synchronization.
[snip crap]

1) Idiot.
2) Relativistic effects on orbital clocks
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html>
3) Idiot
4) Lithium ions as clocks at 0.06c to 10^(-7) accuracy
<http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/1113/2>
5) Idiot.
6) Ineducable idiot.
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Androcles
2007-11-15 19:32:21 UTC
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"Uncle Al" <***@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:***@hate.spam.net...
: 1) Idiot.

Fuckhead.

: 2) Relativistic effects on orbital clocks
:
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html>
: 3) Idiot

Dumbfuck.


: 4) Lithium ions as clocks at 0.06c to 10^(-7) accuracy
: <http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/1113/2>
: 5) Idiot.

Arsehole.

: 6) Ineducable idiot.

Useless arsehole.

Catch 22:
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Heller wrote: "There was only one catch and that was Catch 22, which
specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
"Orr (a character in the novel) was crazy and could be grounded. All he had
to do was ask, and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would
have to fly more missions.

"Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he
was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have
to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."

In Einstein's case if you use c+v you can derive c = (c+v)/(1+v/c) from
the cuckoo malformations he blamed on Lorentz. That says you can't
use c+v.

What troll kooks like Schwartz, Poe, McCullough, Roberts, Draper, Lawrence,
Andersen et. al. fail to realise is the existence of isomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism
between Sagnac's real experiment and Einstein's hallucination experiment,
shown here:
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Einstein sends light along the rack and back again, the rack
moving at velocity v in his pipe dream.
Sagnac sends the light around the gear wheel for real.
If you analyse one you should get the same result as the other, but
you cannot use SR to derive SR, that is petitio principii, circularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

c+v is essential to the derivation of the cuckoo malformations, the
part where Einstein screws up is:
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein

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Here are some mathematical proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

Not included are
Proof by "because I say so",
Proof by "everybody knows",
Proof by "it is written",
the three most popular forms used in sci.physics.relativity.

You'll often see this pathetic mob muttering "Lorentz Transformations"
but they haven't a clue how they are derived and faithfully follow their
indoctrination like lemmings.

Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif

Prediction:
The troll kooks will ignore it, they are too stooopid to understand a
proof.






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No brain.
Traveler
2007-11-15 19:45:54 UTC
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:32:21 GMT, Homo Androgenous wrote:

[crap]

Nobody gives a shit, Andromo. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain

Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
Koobee Wublee
2007-11-15 20:43:25 UTC
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Post by Uncle Al
There are other hypotheses that predict the same result. <shrug>
Besides, it is not conclusive that GPS utilizes GR to do so. To do
that, it requires a ground-to-satellite synchronization. This is just
too costly and too error-prone. In addition to the error associated
with downlink from satellite to the ground, there is just too much
error compared to satellite-to-satellite synchronization.
With physicists as consultants, GPS most likely did start out with
ground-to-satellite synchronization, but engineers quickly figured out
the unnecessary introduction of error can be eliminated if satellite-
to-satellite synchronization is implemented.
1) Idiot.
2) Relativistic effects on orbital clocks
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5....>
3) Idiot
4) Lithium ions as clocks at 0.06c to 10^(-7) accuracy
<http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/1113/2>
"Einstein was wrong"

A plagiarist can never be wrong. However, the plagiarized material
can be wrong. <shrug>

"Special relativity joins space and time into a single weird thing
called spacetime that appears different to observers moving relative
to each other."

Even the crackpot cannot explain exactly what this weird thing is.
<shrug>

"Einstein reasoned that if the ion were accelerated to near-light
speed, time would slow for it and, hence, so would the rippling of the
emitted light waves. That is, the speeding ions would emit light of a
lower frequency."

Einstein's reasoning contradicts with transverse Doppler shift
predicted by the Lorentz transform. SR is not self consistent.
<shrug>
Post by Uncle Al
5) Idiot.
6) Ineducable idiot.
Continuer la lecture sur narkive:
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